Comment/question
You can play a game and say his wife, but what
does the text of my BIBLE say? He that is joined to a harlot is what?
ONE FLESH with her. So who is he now ''one
flesh'' with.....his wife or his harlot?
Response
One flesh in I Corinthians 6 and God joined marriage
are two different things. Jesus calls remarriage "adultery", not a God
joined marriage. There is a sin called fornication which is what I Corinthains
6 is addressing-----it is illicit sex. It is not the relationship God
joins in Gen. nor the Gospel accounts of marriage. If you are being
"joined" with a harlot, it means that you are having illicit relations
with someone who has joined themselves with many others. Unless you are
a proponent of "sex marries", then each and every time someone has sex
they are in actuality marrying that person and leaving their previous
spouse. Adultery would be non existent as the new person would be their
new spouse, therefore no sin would exist..........
the one flesh spoken of in I Cor. 6 was NOT
marriage. I'm not quite sure what your point is with I Cor. 6. Is it
that you are saying all sexual encounters are what "marries" us to
others? Maybe if you clarified a bit I could answer your question
better.
As to a divorced person never really being married---------in some cases
I do believe that. If they married a person who was not "free", they
committed adultery, they did not enter into a lawful marriage----one
which was joined by God. When they divorced, they were in actuality
leaving the sin behind..........the sin of adultery. Whether they
understood it as such or not is moot. Knowledge of sin or lack of
knowledge does not alter the nature of sin. Transgression of God's
commands are sin whether we understand the transgression or not. The
difference is those who do "see" and commit sin anyways appear
scripturally to have more responsibility before God than those who do
not "see".
Comment/question
1 Corinthians 6:16 " Do you not know that he who joins himself to a
prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, "The two
shall become one."
So
this is absolved in the case of a prostitute but not for a divorced
woman? How can this be so? It does not make any sense to me, can someone
help me with it?
What
we are saying is the divorced woman will make her husband an adulterer,
but the one who has slept around is okay to remarry because she is now a
virgin, why can't the divorced be a new virgin too?
Response
The Lord in the NT says that a woman who departs from her husband is to
remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband(I Cor. 7:10-11). We
also see that Jesus said anyone who marries a divorced person commits
adultery. It can only be that the divorced is still bound to their
covenant partner. That is why it's adultery to marry someone else.
Divorce does not give someone renewed virginity..........as a person
divorced from their covenant spouse is bound to them until he/she dies (
Comment/question
Since it is common now days for people to lose their virginity outside
of marriage, when they do marry is it invalid?
As I understand scripture on this, premarital relations DO join bodies
as 'one flesh' according to Paul's teachings. However, I'm not sure GOD
joins illicit relations as one flesh. If He did, would the sin of
fornication exist?
Response
Absolutely correct. God does not "join" sin. If that were the case,
every spouse who has cheated is now married to the other person---then
sleeps with their spouse and is married back to them, etc, etc, etc.
Throughout scripture we see that marriage involves vows to each other
and the leaving of father and mother and cleaving to their spouse and
public acknowledgement of the union. Illicit relations are just
that---illicit relations. sex does not equal marriage. Marriage entails
so much more.
Comment/question
There remains then the question are they to remain celibate for life
after having had sex outside of marriage, or can they marry someone else
- which, from that interpretation, would be REmarriage? You say those
people CAN remarry. But the others who divorced can't. Sorry, the
argument is not just. God forgives BOTH and allows them to remarry, in
the Lord.
Response
Sorry, but sex does not equal marriage in scripture. Notice in the OT
passage that Keeper posted that AFTER the man had relations with the
woman he had to marry her-----IF her father allowed it. Her father could
disallow it as well, so marriage is NOT required for sexual relations.
We also see in scripture that harlots were NOT considered married women
due to having sexual relations with men. They were harlots...........and
they were able to marry lawfully after being a harlot and their 1st
marriages were never spoken of as being adultery.
Comment/question
Thank you, yes, I Corinthians 6:15-20 were the verses I was looking for.
I need to quit trying to search the concordance in my modern
translations and do all my searching in the KJV.
Based
on these verses it seems that the first person of the opposite gender
one is physically intimate with is one’s spouse while both people are
living.
Response
I don't see that at all. In the OT, AFTER a man had taken a woman's
virginity, if the father approved, he then had to marry her and NEVER
divorce her all the days of her life.
We
also see in Hosea, that Gomer was ALREADY a prostitute when Hosea came
along and he was not considered an adulterer by God for marrying her. We
also see that with Rahab.
I do see that there is a "oneness" of flesh in regards to sexual intimacy, but it does not appear that sexual relations=marriage............
Comment/question
1
Corinthians 8:15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ?
Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of
a prostitute? May it never be! 16 Or do you not know that the one who
joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, “THE
TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.” 17 But the one who joins himself to
the Lord is one spirit with Him. 18 Flee immorality. Every other sin
that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against
his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the
Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not
your own? 20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify
God in your body.
We glorify the Lord with our body and not become one flesh with a
harlot. May it never be!
Do you agree that you are not one flesh with a harlot cindy? or are you
still one flesh with your mate?
Response
Yes, I am one flesh with my
mate, (name deleted)-----because the LORD joined me to him. The Lord did
not join me in immorality to a harlot.
Comment/question
This is God's word for the body
1Corinthians8:15 Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make
them members of a prostitute? May it never be! 16 Or do you not know
that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For
He says, “THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.”
Response
and
the rest of that scripture calls believers to FLEE sexual immorality,
because we have been bought with a price.........
Earlier in that passage Paul exhorts believers to not defraud the
brethren (see also I Thessalonians. 4:3-8), yet what we see in churches
today is that brother so and so has taken to himself brother so and so's
wife...........and sister so and so has taken sister so and so's
husband. It is grieving to the Lord. The Lord says in I Thessalonians
4:8, that he/she who defrauds the brethren in such a manner, rejecting
His Word, rejects Christ. That is a very frightening thing for those who
are involved in such immorality.
Comment/question
You can't
call your mate a harlot if your mate sleeps around with other people as
you believe right? and you are joined with that person for as long as
you live.
Response
Scripture teaches that I am ONE with my mate for life----God taking two
and making one---so that THEY ARE NO LONGER TWO. If he commits adultery
(through extra-marital relations or remarriage), God calls them to FLEE
sexual immorality.
Would I continue having relations with him while he is being unfaithful?
No, but I wouldn't forsake my marriage vows..........to love, honor, and
cherish, 'til death do us part. He may, but I won't.